tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19636934974176166.post1944698634917453803..comments2023-12-22T04:17:29.046-08:00Comments on Exceptionally Brash: Food Reward and Confirmation Bias - More Woo?Exceptionally Brashhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13177479330600606059noreply@blogger.comBlogger7125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19636934974176166.post-8241281837074834522012-02-22T19:27:51.470-08:002012-02-22T19:27:51.470-08:00I think there are things wrong with the Kitavan in...I think there are things wrong with the Kitavan information in the first place but don't quote me on that--I'm going on thirdhand information. But basically the means of obtaining data about their relative health had a whole bunch of holes in it.<br /><br />Also, people didn't take into account that some foods are protective against the sorts of health problems we are seeing here. You can't cut almost all animal fat out of your diet, all natural sources of minerals and the animal-based fat-soluble vitamins and then ramp your starch and sugar intake way the hell up AND then keep the lights on too late at night and not get enough good sleep in full dark, and expect that you will come out the other side unscathed.<br /><br />The Kitavans get full sun regularly, sleep in the dark at night, eat lots of coconut and fish fat and probably get some fish broth with the attendant minerals as well. I would be *surprised* if they weren't healthy.<br /><br />But take away the coconut and fish fat, take away the minerals, take away the sun exposure, ramp up their starch, add some sugar, throw in some PUFAs and watch them fall apart in a few generations.<br /><br />Low carb works (I think) because carbohydrate is the least necessary of the macronutrients, because processing it in your body burns up micronutrients you need for continuous good health, and because the carbohydrate foods are the least nutrient-dense compared to protein-rich and fat-rich foods, so ditching the latter two in favor of the former only exacerbates all the other issues.<br /><br />I don't think the Kitavans are a paradox at all.Dana Seilhanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11749354913843954242noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19636934974176166.post-12090740217826748462011-12-26T08:25:48.102-08:002011-12-26T08:25:48.102-08:00Hi Gallier2! Thanks for visiting. I would agree ...Hi Gallier2! Thanks for visiting. I would agree that Taubes also has an incomplete theory on why we are fat, but I don't see him insisting that his is the only way, like Guyenet's supporters. I also believe from my own N=1 that Taubes totally wins on the discussion of HOW to lose the weight.Exceptionally Brashhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13177479330600606059noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19636934974176166.post-10780213817972592162011-12-23T03:09:38.149-08:002011-12-23T03:09:38.149-08:00As a C programmer I can understand your point abou...As a C programmer I can understand your point about not removing the outliers. It is often especially the outliers (in programmer parlance it would mean results that you didn't expect that way) that give hints of some hidden problems or misunderstandings.<br />An outlier in a nutrition statistic is at another level of complexity, of course, but if your theory cannot explain why a given n=1 result does not follow the trend, then it means that the theory is incomplete and/or false. GT strawman version of the insulin hypotheses would indeed not be able to explain Kitavans (it is not GT theory by a long shot, only the carricatural version by his opponents).gallier2https://www.blogger.com/profile/04285836062429366578noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19636934974176166.post-24212952738290271662011-12-12T13:26:03.923-08:002011-12-12T13:26:03.923-08:00I think it is more than just pleasing the boss. I...I think it is more than just pleasing the boss. I have met many who learned a "bit" of statistics and are proud of their data-handling techniques. They truly think the practice is not only acceptable, but indicated at every turn.Exceptionally Brashhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13177479330600606059noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19636934974176166.post-66996203320065407612011-12-09T17:32:23.129-08:002011-12-09T17:32:23.129-08:00When your bosses career was made on rats what is o...When your bosses career was made on rats what is one to do?johnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11126132841611727249noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19636934974176166.post-24588768068694417052011-12-09T09:58:11.081-08:002011-12-09T09:58:11.081-08:00Hi Sidereal. I think this whole mess shows how ou...Hi Sidereal. I think this whole mess shows how out of touch many researchers are with what is really going on. What is baffling to me is that when faced with real people providing real data, he always reverts to what the rats say. I just cannot understand how this can continue to be a successful strategy in the long run.Exceptionally Brashhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13177479330600606059noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19636934974176166.post-72891722519225763432011-12-08T15:32:26.779-08:002011-12-08T15:32:26.779-08:00Something tells me Stephan is going to have a very...Something tells me Stephan is going to have a very successful academic career indeed. It's a pity that he's dead wrong.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14107632038306560194noreply@blogger.com